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aelfgifu ([personal profile] aelfgifu) wrote2006-11-08 10:40 am

A research contest started by me!

I remember someone at Kingdom A&S ([personal profile] ornerie?) mentioning that there was a picture of a ball (possibly juggling ball) in the Museum of London books. The first person to email me a picture and a citataion with all relevant info gets one of my uber cool if modern glass pumpkins at twelfth night. My email is vandy@vandybennett.com. If you get me a pic second or third etc, but before I post that I recieved the info, you get some of my yummy candied ginger dipped in chocolate at twelfth night, or some other yummy if you don't like chocolate or ginger.

Additionally, anyone who gets me any other picture of extant medieval/renaissance/ancient juggling balls or balls/ball of a juggleable size with appropriate citations gets a cool prize.

And saving the best for last, anyone who gets me an image from a medieval or renaissance illuminated manuscript that shows someone juggling and has appropriate citataions gets a blown glass of their choice of style (assuming it is within my ability) once my glass shop is up and running.

This is sort of like paying research assistants but cheaper and more fun. ;-)

[identity profile] ornerie.livejournal.com 2006-11-08 06:10 pm (UTC)(link)
http://aelflaed.homemail.com.au/doco/balls.html

I KNOW there is a picture of a leather ball in the Museum of London book "the Medieval Household", and there well might be one in the York one on leather objects...

:)

[identity profile] ornerie.livejournal.com 2006-11-08 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
http://www2.bc.edu/~lewbel/jugweb/history-1.html

I'm sure you've seen this...

I know there's some images in the Lutrelle? or is it the romance of alexander? will do some digging when I get home :)

[identity profile] aelfgyfu.livejournal.com 2006-11-08 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Cool - haven't had time to do much digging around for ball info, so for this you get a "cool prize" ;-)

[identity profile] ornerie.livejournal.com 2006-11-08 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I'll scan etc the other stuff tonight :)

yay for prizes! this was fun. I may need to rmember this "method" for myself!
ursula: Gules, a bear passant sable (bear)

[personal profile] ursula 2006-11-08 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
While we're playing the "pictures you must have seen already" game, this page is good for extant Greek & Roman balls:

http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/w/x/wxk116/romeball.html

including a glass one:

http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/w/x/wxk116/trigon.html

[identity profile] aelfgyfu.livejournal.com 2006-11-08 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh. You deserve a "cool prize" just for sending me any references to juggling that you come across anyway. ;-)
ursula: Gules, a bear passant sable (bear)

[personal profile] ursula 2006-11-08 10:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm pretty sure that I've got the position as your research assistant locked down ;) (In particular, I can e-mail you JSTOR PDFs, if you find them-- they seem to be in Google these days.)

I still kind of want to find out more about juggling in late-period Persian cafes . . . that looked cool . . .

COOL!

[identity profile] ya-inga.livejournal.com 2006-11-08 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I Am interested in the manuscript challenge. What are you meaning my appropriate citiations. MSS and location?

Just want to make sure I'm in the ball ; )(groan)



Re: COOL!

[identity profile] aelfgyfu.livejournal.com 2006-11-08 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Yup, MSS, location, folio # if applicable, if there is a "common name" for the manuscript that is good too. I am interested in other silly people tricks also such as balancing, vaulting, tight rope walking while playing musical instruments (I have seen this pic but not where it is from and I am hoping it is period!!!), balancning stuff on one's chin, acrobatics, magic tricks, etc. Basically stupid people tricks and weird people tricks. People dressed up like fools an just hangin' out don't count - they are all over the place.

Re: COOL!

[identity profile] ya-inga.livejournal.com 2006-11-08 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Well then do I have a JILLION images and citiations for you!

I have a book Lillin Randall's Images in the Margins of Gothis manuscripts - it has images of juggling swords and other items, balacing and spinning plates, balancing, acrobatics etc. I can send you all the citiations if you like but if you have access to a library - getting your hands on this book might be easist. There is just that much there! Not all the cool images are reproduced in the book but all images are fully cited.

Re: COOL!

[identity profile] ya-inga.livejournal.com 2006-11-08 07:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I checked and there are tons of images of balancing stuff on the chin - boards, cups, trays, sticks with plates, swords, spears and and awaesome one with a man playing a triangle while balancing a stick with a light candle on either end!

Re: COOL!

[identity profile] ya-inga.livejournal.com 2006-11-08 07:59 pm (UTC)(link)
If you don't have acces, I could scan the relevant pages and images and email them to you!

I can do that easy!

Re: COOL!

[identity profile] aelfgyfu.livejournal.com 2006-11-08 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
That would be cool - remember, this is to save me work - for that you get a cool glass. ;-) Copies at twelfth night or whenever will work too.

Re: COOL!

[identity profile] ya-inga.livejournal.com 2006-11-08 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I just emailed you a taster and will bring all applicable pages to you at 12th night!

YAY!

Re: COOL!

[identity profile] young-raven.livejournal.com 2006-11-08 08:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I have a book with images of a girl dancing on her partner's shoulders, a guy on stilts, and a man dressed as a bishop and making a rabbit jump through a hoop. Do those count? :-)

The book is "A Day in a Medieval City" by Chiara Frugoni (p. 91), ISBN 0226266346. All three images are from the Luttrell Psalter, c. 14th century.

Re: COOL!

[identity profile] aelfgyfu.livejournal.com 2006-11-08 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes they do, if you make me copies of the pics and give them to me.

Re: COOL!

[identity profile] young-raven.livejournal.com 2006-11-09 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
Consider them yours. :-) I could also get them scanned and email them to you, if that would be better.

[identity profile] gargoyal3.livejournal.com 2006-11-08 07:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmmm. NO good images yet, but tons of articles!
Okay. Found a scholarly article about jesters, http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Italian_Studies/dweb/society/pop_culture/jesters.shtml

I'm sure you've seen this, but it does have 2 illustrations from medieval manuscripts
http://www.juggling.org/papers/history-1/index.html

Again, I'm sure you've seen this:
http://www.juggling.org/~conway/juggler/Icon/siteswsm.jpeg

On the Symbolism of Juggling: The Moral and Aesthetic Implications of the Mastery of Falling Objects, by Chandler, A.
Source: Journal of Popular Culture, Volume 25, Number 3, Winter 1991, pp. 105-124(20)

Uh, I can print this one for you if you don't have access to JSTOR
Juggling Tricks and Conjury on the English Stage before 1642
Louis B. Wright
Modern Philology, Vol. 24, No. 3 (Feb., 1927), pp. 269-284

this is a book
Drama, Play, and Game: English Festive Culture in the Medieval and Early Modern Period
By Lawrence M. Clopper

This one is partially available on google, and has a bunch of illustrations
Magic on the Early English Stage
By Philip Butterworth

uuuhhhh, not sure I get this :)
Troubadour Song and the Art of Juggling
William E. Burgwinkle
Pacific Coast Philology, Vol. 26, No. 1/2 (Jul., 1991), pp. 13-25
doi:10.2307/1316551



‘‘Pleyng with a erd’’: Folly and Madness in the Prologue and Tale of Beryn
S Harper - Mediaeval Studies, 1985 - muse.jhu.edu

Music in Mediaeval Scotland
Henry George Farmer
Proceedings of the Musical Association, 56th Sess., 1929 - 1930 (1929 - 1930), pp. 69-90

this one is through blackwell, and I can't access it
On the Symbolism Juggling: The Moral and Aesthetic Implications ...

juggling in post biblical jewish sources
http://www.juggler.co.il/jews/Raphael.htm



[identity profile] aelfgyfu.livejournal.com 2006-11-08 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Printing me copies of whatever you can will get you a cool prize too... I have indeed already seen all of the on-line articles on jesters/fools/jugglers but not the Juggling tricks JOSTR article. I am not currently associated with any academic institution, so if you get free ILL articles, feel free to hook me up. Will trade postage of articles for postage of cool prize... ;-)

[identity profile] gargoyal3.livejournal.com 2006-11-08 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Oky doky!

YAY FOR GLASS!!!! I don't have any glass, so will be perfectly happy to print off copies for you. Let me know if you have any possible citations you want ordered :)

Do I win???

(Anonymous) 2006-11-08 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I just emailed you several manuscript images plus full citations!
Do I get a prize???

(BIG GRIN)

Re: Do I win???

[identity profile] ya-inga.livejournal.com 2006-11-08 08:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Err.. that was from me

stoopid computer....

Re: Do I win???

[identity profile] aelfgyfu.livejournal.com 2006-11-08 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
You totally win! But remember, there can be manny winners! And feel free to keep looking - not sure if I can do more than one glass per person, but I am sure I can come up with more cool tempting bribes and lots of good will. ;-)

Re: Do I win???

[identity profile] ya-inga.livejournal.com 2006-11-08 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh I would be delighted to share a win cause then it means you have more research! YAY!

And I am completely fine with only getting one peice of glass cause your work is SO amazing and yummy. I will copy all the images and citations for you and will keep looking too!

Thanks for posting such a fun challenge!

[identity profile] ornerie.livejournal.com 2006-11-10 05:17 pm (UTC)(link)
sorry, my scanner is on the fritz, but here's the citations. there are photos as well as archeological drawings for both. let me knwo and I can bring the books to 12th night...

1. Leather and Leatherworking in Anglo-scandavian and Medieval York by QUita MOld, Ian Carlisle and Esther Cameron, The Archaeology of York: The Small Finds 17/16 CRAFT< INDUSTRY, AND EVERYDAY LIFE

pp3405-3408
8includes three extant frgments, as well as sketches of four different consturctions

2. The Medieval Household: Medieval Finds from Excavations in London by Geoff Egan

pp295-296
covers two differently constructed extant examples

still looking for that 14th century juggler that I see in my head! :)